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Mark Pescetti Interview: Successful Copywriter Positioning

Mark Pescetti Interview on successful copywriter positioningMark Pescetti Interview on how intermediate level copywriters and any other kind of consultants can position themselves to advance to the next level: "Oh Mark, You So Data Slut!!" Get ready for an onslaught of critical marketing information to transform your plain old limping-month-to-month copywriting business into a top flight best-client-getting MACHINE.

Last Fall I asked top copywriter Mark Pescetti if he was interested in being interviewed. I was going through one of my periodic episodes of frustration with newbies, and suggested that we talk to the intermediate level of skill and market presence. Since Mark is in high demand, we booked the talk for yesterday. As usual, the intervening months passed quickly.

Newbies are so eager for a dollar they will chase anything. The result is they pick up low-paying clients who do not value their services, and get treated like a commodity. Intermediate level copywriters have been around awhile and figured out that something is wrong. If you're sick and tired of taking on low-ball projects because you don't know how to find anything else...if you want to know the surprising truth about what it takes to be a well-paid writer...then listen into and act on what Mark is about to share.

What You'll Learn In the Mark Pescetti Interview

In the Mark Pescetti interview, we cover:

  • What are the necessary elements of positioning?
  • How do you find out what your market is looking for, so you can put yourself in the right spot?
  • How do relationships factor into positioning?
  • What secret ingredient that sets you free is missing from most copywriters' income streams?
  • What does "Being Real" mean in this context?
  • How do you identify the right customers?
  • How do you reach them?
  • How do you demonstrate you're worth the big money?
  • What happens when you DON'T position yourself?
  • How does your self-esteem affect your actions and results?

What Mark shares in this discussion is worth an investment of thousands of dollars. It is actually beyond a monetary value. He lays the process of positioning for and getting high-value clients in such detail that I have to admit...this is another of those interviews like the one I just did which frankly I'm a little pre-irritated about sharing for free. We tend not to value things we get for free, and the steps Mark shares here are extremely valuable. So don't treat this talk like the others you listen to this week. It is not in the same category. I have never heard another copywriter discuss this topic. To get to the level at which you're able to know and share the ideas in the Mark Pescetti interview takes a long time and an investment few are willing to make.

You might be thinking from that bullet list this interview might be a little dry. Let me assure you it is lively and engaging because Mark is that way. He shares stories from the trenches to accentuate his points. The discussion is free-flowing and fun. Make the brief commitment to listen, whether you're a copywriter or not--and whether you're an intermediate level writer or a newbie.

So many of the points Mark are the complete opposite of what you'd expect. How can showing weakness be a strength? What works better than anything else--including writing--for getting in front of big-dollar prospective clients? Why would technical competence not be a significant contributing factor in a client's decision to hire you at the level he's talking about? After your eyebrows come back down following hearing this astonishing information, maybe you'll be ready to start moving in the right direction.

As a five-figure copywriter, I found a considerable shared experience with Mark's and was nodding at everything he said. But he also expressed ideas I hadn't thought of before, and learned several things I'm going to start employing in my own world.

Listen to the Mark Pescetti Interview

Links to content discussed in the Mark Pescetti Interview:

Copyranger Mark Duris' blog post on Being Memorable

Jason Kanigan interviewed by two other sales trainers on the importance of FIT in choosing clients

2018 UPDATE: Jason Kanigan on What's Wrong With Copywriting Today

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A Lesson In Process and Outsourcing

Process and OutsourcingI have a lesson in process and outsourcing to share with you today. As many of you know, I'm also a copywriter. Sales training and copywriting are the two main things I do for money. Lately I've been working on a product launch for a stock trading software, and it's been very engrossing.

Yesterday, in the hopes of getting into something completely different, I started watching a 2-1/2 hour documentary of how the movie Alien (1979) got made.

Much to my surprise, I found myself in familiar territory. An astonishingly large number of factors I'm quite familiar with from the product launch world reappeared in this “Behind the Scenes” story. And I want to share some of them with you, because they'll help you understand the process of creating a successful business—especially if you're new to all this.

Now we ought to begin by reminding ourselves that the idea for what became the movie Alien popped into a writer's head sometime after 1974 but before 1977. This is vitally important to our understanding of the business environment, because Star Wars had not come out yet. Therefore, everyone was afraid of science fiction and nobody wanted to risk studio money on a project like that. The writer was a young guy who had gone to film school with director John Carpenter, and helped him make the sci-fi comedy Dark Star. But this writer wanted to make a sci-fi horror movie next. He then found another writer who was working on a half-completed story that they combined, and wrote a treatment—not a script—for an all-male crew with some sort of monster aboard.

At this point they had no clear idea what the alien would look like. Someone introduced them to the disturbing metal artwork of H.R. Giger and that is how the direction of the appearance of the monster was settled upon.

Then they shopped this idea around to various studios, looking for money. One studio tried to complete and rewrite the script several times with different writers. The results were bad. However, the android, Ash, was an idea contributed by these new writers.

The decision to make the lead a woman, to be counter-to-type in the genre, was a late one.

But 20th Century Fox wouldn't approve the script. Nobody wanted to risk on science fiction. It sat there until

BANG!

Star Wars demonstrated in 1977 that sci-fi could be extremely commercially successful. 20th Century had exactly one other sci-fi script laying around. An interesting side note: Alan Ladd, Jr., son of the famous actor, was president of Fox at the time. He had invested in George Lucas for Star Wars, and now OKed the money, at first $4.2 million, for Alien.

The Lesson In Process and Outsourcing Kicks Into High Gear for Alien

So who would direct? The studio went through several candidates. The movie had to be carried off in such a way as to appear an A-level film; the special effects could not look silly, and the monster had to be genuinely scary. The right director had to have the right vision. Five candidates later the team settled on a new fellow, who had made precisely one film: Ridley Scott. Thanks to Scott getting some storyboards together, Fox saw his vision and doubled the budget to over $8 million. Never underestimate the power of painting a picture for your prospect.

Then they got several artists together. Giger for the alien design. Two others for the 'human' interiors. An Italian, Carlo Rambaldi, was hired to make the special effects for the alien's head (and won an Oscar for it).

A whole effects team was assembled, because everything had to be manually made. Remember, this was an era without CGI or much post-production capabilities. It all had to be done right the first time. And nobody had done many of the things they were going to try to do. The set designs were made of bones, plaster, scrap machinery and all kinds of other things.

And finally, the casting.

Sigourney Weaver went to the wrong place and was late to her casting call. Imagine if she'd been passed on for this mistake, or gave up and went home?

The nearly seven-foot-tall, ultra-thin man who played the alien, for whom they custom-made the suit, was found in a local tavern. He was sent to tai chi and mime classes to learn how to slow down and control his movements. A gymnast was used for other scenes.

Jerry Goldsmith, who seems to have done every other film than John Williams, composed the score.

Now look.

Look at how many people, circumstantial events, personal efforts and individual talents contributed to what became a hit movie that has stood the test of time:

  • Original writers/conceptual & management team
  • Studio writers
  • Funders
  • Director
  • Alien artist
  • Terran artists
  • Special effects boss
  • Production team
  • Cast
  • Alien body actors
  • Score developer.

And there were more, such as the Fox producer who ran around telling the crew to stop making new sets Ridley Scott had told them to make, because they weren't financially approved by the beancounters. Imagine the frustration at that! Consider all of the choices made to get these people to the outcome of a great movie. Chance meetings. Additions like the android and a female lead made by other people than the original writers.

Process and Outsourcing for A Product Launch

In the launch I'm leading, we have

  • product creator/owner/funder
  • video sales letter writer and producer
  • signup & prelaunch & launch writer/concept creator/conductor (me)
  • video editor to make the videos the client makes of the scripts I write for him look nice
  • admin tech for actually putting the emails I write into the autoresponder and sending them out
  • programmers who are the team behind the software we're selling at the end of this three-week process.

And stuff gets done fast.

By ourselves, none of us could do each component of the work this well or this fast. And without collaboration, we wouldn't get as good ideas out to our audience.

Takeaways About Process and Outsourcing

Takeaways from the Making of Alien documentary and my recent product launch experience include:

  • To create something really spectacular, you're going to need the help of other people who are exceptional at the things you're not
  • Each outsourcer is hired on because they are an expert in a specific field—not because they “sound good to have around”
  • It's going to take longer than you think, and you'll have more unexpected struggles than you could have imagined, to succeed
  • You have to be open to input from others to get the very best final product.

I've learned a lot from this process. And it is a process—I want you to see that. A great product isn't built in an afternoon. Many elements factor into a success, and plenty of them are going to be found outside of y-o-u.

The road to winning has many twists and turns. False starts. Sometimes even the temporary appearance of failure. But if you have a valuable and clear vision, it's much more likely you'll stick with the project to get the result you desire.

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